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Durrrr… the extra ‘r’ is for “r u kidding me???”

Submitted by on March 9, 2009 – 3:35 PM18 Comments

2906_attach1_img_160631_high_stakes_pokerEpisode 2 of “High Stakes Poker” Season 5 is now online.  There are some great situations throughout the whole episode, but it’s the last hand of the hour that I want to talk about…

…Or I would want to talk about, assuming I still had a jaw.  I don’t have a jaw, for it fell from its usual spot on my face, and is now somewhere on the floor (I think it rolled under the couch).

Before we continue, the hand in question (skip to about the 36:40 mark of the video below):

Wow. I mean… wow.  The best part of all this is that Durrrr put in $100k+ on the river, knowing full well that he was behind, but also knowing that neither of his opponents could call.  Notice that after the hand ended he correctly and precisely assessed what each of his opponents had, and even made a prop bet with Doyle about it!  It’s stuff like this that makes high-level poker so fascinating.   I’m not going to say much more about the hand, for I figure the comment section of this post would be a better place for that.  But, just for amusement, here are some of the places on the internet where the hand is generating a lot of buzz:

  • Barry Greenstein’s “Tips from the Bear” audio blog, where he discusses his thoughts on the hand
  • Barry’s analysis, and the hand in general, get the full treatment from the folks over at 2+2
  • There are currently two different threads on PocketFives discussing the hand, the second of which looking at it through the prism of bankroll management
  • Short-Stacked Shamus has an excellent summary of the hand, and the post-script analysis

Ok, folks, have at her.

18 Comments »

  • The magician, Hellmuth, Mr. Kamikaze himself “The mouth”, Gold

    Antonio and Matusow are long time cash game regulars/winners, but both are still probably under-rolled for HSP. Gold was more of a freakshow for the game then anything else, though he reportedly was a winner in the LA cash game scene (and even appeared on “Live at the Bike”; I remember watching him get a big hand cracked in that game, shrug, and then leave in a huff). Hellmuth is well-known as a big game donator, and probably the only true tourney pro your list.

  • Giancarlo79 says:

    I realize she’s a tourney specialist, but so are a lot of other players on HSP that have made the transition. i.e. The magician, Hellmuth, Mr. Kamikaze himself “The mouth”, Gold, etc.

    I would like to see her on there for 2 reasons: HSP seems to be a great promotional tool, and I actually think that her reading ability is good enough to compete with the big boyz. If she wants her popularity to grow, she should get on this show. Poker after dark is another good option . . .

    I’m sure there’s going to be a lot of talk at next year’s WSOP anyway, since it’ll be her first year playing.

  • I haven’t watched 3 or 4 yet, does he run into more quads then?

    Oops. Should have put a “spoiler” warning on that last comment.

    What do you think the prospects of seeing Annette_15 on HSP next season? Would be nice to celebrate your 21st birthday by appearing on the biggest cash game on TV.

    She’s not really a cash game player. I’ve seen her playing PLO online a number of times, but she’s mainly a tourney specialist. If you want to see her play live, check out the Premier League action: http://www.cardplayertube.com/c/48/Premier_League_Poker/

  • Giancarlo79 says:

    LOL. Really true. Haven’t heard a peep from him yet this season.

    Yeah, season 2 was hideous the amount of times he ran into quads. I haven’t watched 3 or 4 yet, does he run into more quads then?

    I’m guessing Eastgate will be making an exit soon. He’s still up, and his session seems pretty long at this point.

    Would like to see Sahamies get a little toasty and start going nutz with his chips, that would make things interesting.

    What do you think the prospects of seeing Annette_15 on HSP next season? Would be nice to celebrate your 21st birthday by appearing on the biggest cash game on TV.

  • This pot is the new highest pot in HSP history!

    Not quite. This one was “only” $500k+. Doyle played one against Guy Laliberte last season that hit the sunny side of $800k. And they didn’t even run it twice.

    Barry remarks after he wins the hand . . . “math is for idiots”

    Actually, he said, “Math is idiotic”, which is a quote from his son Joe Sebok, who got into an argument with one of the young internet kids — Isaac Haxton — at last year’s World Series. Haxton tried to claim that shoving with ATo was a mathematically sound play. Sebok, who had pocket kings in the hand and considers himself more of a “feel” player, famously countered that math was “idiotic”.

    On a previous season of HSP Barry took charity donations from the folks at 2+2 if he would say “lol donkaments” on the show, and this season he did the same thing with this phrase. Barry is a good sport, and a real bridge between the math-based internet kids, and the old school veterans. I thought it was a great moment when he and Dwan sat down with the cameras after the hand, and you could tell that there was no hard feelings from either side, and Dwan seemed almost proud just to be in Barry’s company.

    A great episode, all in all. I’m really enjoying this season of HSP. Now if only Daniel could, you know, win a pot. Or go a season without running into quads!

  • Giancarlo79 says:

    Barry GRReenstein has stolen one of Durrr’s (only 3 there, lol) in Sunday’s episode of high stakes poker! (Season 5 episode 4)

    This pot is the new highest pot in HSP history! and Barry remarks after he wins the hand . . . “math is for idiots”

    WOW! Check out the sickened look on Dwan’s face! Imagine losing a pot that way. Guaranteed Dwan would’ve ran that pot twice if Barry wasn’t so adament on only running hands once.

    You can check it out on youtube, search for GSNvideos, and they’ll have every single episode of HSP there.

  • Well, as suspected the discussion has started in the Red Pro forum on PokerRoad – http://pokerroad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5203

    It’s short and sweet, but that’s some good stuff already right there.

  • Tim A says:

    Well, as suspected the discussion has started in the Red Pro forum on PokerRoad – http://pokerroad.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5203

  • Eastgate made the mistake a few hands earlier of quickly stating how much he was up, clearly stating that his stack was on his mind, and his goal was to leave there up.

    I didn’t get the impression, by the way Eastgate answered this question, the he was worried about his profits. I thought he did a great job of succinctly answering the posed question (by Eli? memory fails). Though, of course, he could’ve been bluffing on that count…

    If he thinks about Eastgate’s hand a little more, maybe he can take Dwan off the 2.

    I suspect Eastgate’s fold on the turn made it more likely that Dwan had the 2. Though really, what the heck kind of two cold he have? Barry said that A2 suited was the hand that worried him, and even said that he forgot to check the suits of his aces, only realizing months later when he saw them on TV that he could’ve taken Dwan off that hand.

  • Giancarlo79 says:

    The funny thing is, Dwan didn’t know Eastgate had trips until Eastgate called Dwan’s reraise on the flop. I think Dwan’s reraise was only for information against Barry’s continuation bet. When both called, I guess he was convinced that he had third best hand, but was going to use Eastgate’s weak play to get Barry to fold. Eastgate made the mistake a few hands earlier of quickly stating how much he was up, clearly stating that his stack was on his mind, and his goal was to leave there up. I think that’s why Dwan is able to get him off the hand, along with the A7 vs. 67 hand that happened in show 1. Couple of discussion questions. I haven’t read any of the other articles yet, bear in mind:

    Does Barry rush his decision that Eastgate did not have a 2? What would he call a reraise out of position with ( he was small blind, right?). If he thinks about Eastgate’s hand a little more, maybe he can take Dwan off the 2.

    Can we put Dwan on pocket 10’s here? I haven’t heard any analysis about Dwan having pocket 10’s in the hand, is this because he smooth calls preflop?

  • Giancarlo79 says:

    Just got back from outside, smoke alarms went off in my office from the smoke protruding from my head!

    Man, I wish I could look into the mind of Tom Dwan.

    Daniel looks into the 6 poker levels of thinking (you can find these on PokerVT).

    Ummmmm, I’m going to message Daniel and ask him to explain levels 7-9. He hasn’t explained them yet, probably because only Dwan gets that high.

    and here I am proud of making good reads on bad players. Shame on me.

    Hands like that motivate us to get better and better everyday. I would love to be on that level of thinking consistently . . . and on that bankroll level, lol.

  • Hey, how come you can quote and I can’t!!!

    Mod privileges, baby!

  • Tim A says:

    Hey, how come you can quote and I can’t!!! :(

    Who knows what I was trying to say there.

    Against Durrrr I’m calling more often in that spot than folding but does depend on some factors like how I am perceiving him recently or in that session or how many times he may or has shown a bluff recently etc. etc.

    Yeah, Barry is probably right about the stack size but not in Daniel’s situation. I agree that Daniel was not playing scared money at all and just was coolered if I remember correctly.


  • Its still a really tough fold and I’d be looking for any excuse to call if I was leaning towards folding and any excuse to fold if leaning towards calling.

    I’m not sure what you’re getting at here. Are you saying that, should your instincts lean one way, you’d use logic and reason to try and see if they were correct? Or are you saying that you distrust your own instincts, and always look for the opposite solution?


    Because its Durrrr you have to call there a good percentage of the time

    And then you get into the whole Durrrr-knows-that-you-know-that-you-have-to-call-sometimes-there, which messes with your head even more!


    Very good point as well that Barry makes about coming in with a stack that big against top players.

    He even notes that this very situation hampered Daniel during HSP1, when he sat down with $1 million. Although I really think Daniel just got coolered multiple times, and never really looked like scared money.

  • Tim A says:

    I was writing my 2nd comment as you were writing yours. We’re thinking pretty much the same there!!!

  • Tim A says:

    Ok, the guys at 2+2 can’t even understand this level of thinking it seems and similarly with the Pocket 5′s thread. At least the first couple of pages. I couldn’t bother reading beyond that.

    Barry’s analysis is spot on as per usual and is great insight into how these guys (or at least Barry) think at that level. I’m playing the hand probably very similarly as Barry I think and once Eastgate folds, I’m thinking the same that he couldn’t have had a 2 so it is a little more possible that Durrrr actually has the 2. Its still a really tough fold and I’d be looking for any excuse to call if I was leaning towards folding and any excuse to fold if leaning towards calling. Because its Durrrr you have to call there a good percentage of the time (especially I think with Barry’s stack).

    From Barry’s audio blog, it seems that Eastgate was playing with approx. $500k so I see that definitely he had visions of losing that stack and was playing scared. If he had like $100-200k to start the hand it goes in no questions asked. At least I do and he has to be thinking that if he is thinking at all.

    Very good point as well that Barry makes about coming in with a stack that big against top players.

  • I think Eastgate had $500k to start the hand, and Barry had $200k. That’s 600+ and 250 BBs respectively. I don’t know about you, but I think there’s a huge difference between putting 600 BBs in and putting 100 BBs (which is what we’re used to). Which makes the “simple call” not so simple.

    When Dwan bet $100k on the turn, he wasn’t betting $100k… he was betting Eastgate’s $370k (which is about what Peter had left behind). How does your four kicker look then? I’m not saying I like the fold — esp. considering the player doing the betting — but I don’t think it’s unreasonable either. I think this hand is less about Eastgate’s bad fold as it is about Durrrr’s superhuman poker radar.

  • Tim A says:

    I haven’t checked the other analysis yet but if you are Eastgate here this is a simple call if not a push depending on Dwan’s stack here. I don’t know what he could be thinking other than playing on scared money. I’m calling there or stacking 99.9% of the time against Dwan. What I’m worried about is Greenstein but just barely. I don’t know the stacks for sure here but if Eastgate is going to call with that hand preflop (mind you there were 6 limpers ahead of him) and also call that bet on the flop then you should know what you are doing with it on the turn and it certainly wouldn’t be folding.

    Going to see what the other buzz is about now.

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